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- From: neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.lang.tcl,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.java
- Subject: Re: Relative Speed of Perl vs. Tcl vs. C
- Followup-To: comp.lang.misc
- Date: 17 Jan 1996 10:03:20 GMT
- Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
- Message-ID: <NEERI.96Jan17110320@yggdrasil.ethz.ch>
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- In-reply-to: yogi@shellx.best.com's message of 16 Jan 1996 20:42:59 -0800
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- In article <4dhuoj$cbe@shellx.best.com> yogi@shellx.best.com (Yogi) writes:
- > I don't want to start a religeous war, and YES, I did read the FAQ's,
- > and did not find any info on relative speed of comparing C vs Perl vs Tcl
- > vs Java in a very general sort of fashion.
-
- There is a recent posting in comp.lang.java attempting such a comparison.
-
- > I'm very interested in the uses of Tcl and Perl, with regard to Tk and
- > other GUI toolkits (what other's are there?)
-
- By now, almost everybody working with the two languages, seems to be committed
- to Tk.
-
- > Can't seem to find any info on statements I have read that seem to conflict:
-
- > Somewhere I have read that Perl coded grep runs as fast or faster than C
- > coded grep in Unix. (Larry Wall wrote this, correct me if I'm wrong.)
-
- Possible. grep is almost built into perl.
-
- > And in a CGI-web book I read that Perl is an interpreted language that runs
- > 10 times slower than C.
-
- According to Tom Christiansen, a typical factor is on the order of "e", i.e.,
- 2.7.
-
- > But Perl is compiled, right?
-
- Precompiled, I'd say. I wouldn't call a language "compiled" unless there exists
- a mechanism for storing compiled programs in non-source form. A compiler is in
- development, though.
-
- > So how is that different than say, the Tcl interpreter?
-
- Perl and Tcl are almost on the two extreme sides of interpreter
- technology. Perl precompiles into an internal parse tree, while Tcl is pure
- sring substitution. As an example, compare:
-
- Perl: Tcl:
- for ($i = 0; $i<100; $i++) { for {set i 0} {$i<100} {incr i} {
- for ($j = 0; $j=100; $j++) { for {set j 0} {$j<100} {incr j} {
- for ($k = 0; $k<100; $k++) { for {set k 0} {$k<100} {incr k} {
- print $i, " ", $j, " ", $k, "\n"; puts "$i $j $k\n";
- } }
- } }
- } }
-
- Syntactically, the two examples are very similar. But while the Perl lexical
- analyzer makes a single pass over the text of the innermost loop, the Tcl
- lexical analyzer makes MORE THAN A MILLION passes over the text.
-
- This does not mean, though, that Tcl is bad. In fact, I find it more than fast
- enough for the work I do in it.
-
- > So what's the real answer, or are both statements true somehow? I know that
- > Perl can run faster or slower depending on how you code it, (C too) and so I
- > guess you would have to find the fastest C code for a particular function and
- > similar fastest Perl code (or Tcl) and compare THOSE programs to get a
- > definative answer.
-
- One important point to make here is that for text processing problems, it is
- much easier writing a close to optimal Perl solution that a close to optimal
- C solution and therefore, the Perl solution is often faster although it is
- easily proven that a C solution that is at leats as fats must exist.
-
- > And then, what about the speed of Java in comparison to the other 3?
-
- Java proponents will tell you that this doesn't matter because Java has "won"
- already. Java detractors will tell you that your question is pointless as there
- are not a single release quality implementation of Java in existence as of now.
-
- Matthias
-
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